Chat Transcript #64 – “Feed Them Feedback!”

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~ Photo Cafe' ~ Photographers - Episode #64!
              ~ Chat Transcript ~

             20th of October, 2024
     Thundr Selfie Challenge Winners!

                  H.9:30 AM SLT
    Live singer ... Janice ... (Janice Mills)

                  H.10:30 AM SLT
          DJ Set BookaB Resident

                  H.12:00 PM SLT
          "Feed Them Feedback!"

 [ The following Episode #65 will be on the 
            3rd of November ! ]

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Party live footage by Emily Silkstone

Party Photos by Igi

[12:02] Kika Yongho: Okay we have an announcement!!!

[12:02] Pink Arkin: The winners of Thundr’s Autumn Selfie Challenge are in!

[12:03] Kika Yongho: Ooookay so… Are you thrilled to know the names? I am!! So, we shall proceed without further delay to the winner of the trophy, money prize and eternal fame (for this year!) for the 3rd place of the Thundr Autumn Selfie Challenge!!! They are.. Pink?

[12:03] Pink Arkin: they are..
[12:03] Pink Arkin: 🥉 3rd Place (165 faves): Daikota Wind

[12:04] Pink Arkin: 🥈 2nd Place: IGI SL

[12:04] Pink Arkin: 🥇 1st Place: ChrisAdamBlake

[12:05] Pink Arkin: Thank you to everyone who participated! And who joined the Selfie Party to celebrate!

[12:05] Kika Yongho: YES! Thank you so much everyone for joining the party, to Thundr for the beautiful chance to have this Thundr Autumn Selfie Photo Contest together and now… We are gonna start our new episode of our bi-weekly Photographers text chat!

[12:15] Kika Yongho: Welcome all!! Today no intro cause we had the winners announcement soooo… Let’s go! Josephine please

[12:16] Josephine Delvalle: Dear photographers and artists, welcome to a new round of our biweekly discussions.

[12:16] Josephine Delvalle: As we talked about feedback we realized that the topic is a little bigger than our discussion hour. So we could only talk about the side of the feedback recipient, how does it feel to receive feedback in different situations.

[12:16] Josephine Delvalle: We couldn’t even begin to shed light on the feedback provider’s side.
[12:17] Josephine Delvalle: And we couldn’t get practical.

[12:17] Josephine Delvalle: Last time we caught up with going practical.
[12:17] Josephine Delvalle: Today we will talk about GIVING feedback.

[12:18] Josephine Delvalle: Do you always give feedback or only when you like the picture or only when you have suggestions for improvement or only when feedback is asked?

[12:18] Josephine Delvalle: If you like a photo, do you always give positive feedback or only in certain situations. Do you elaborate or stay general (great, wonderful, etc.)

[12:19] Josephine Delvalle: What do you do if you don’t like a photo? Do you say it or do you remain silent or do you say a polite phrase?

[12:19] Josephine Delvalle: What if you are asked and have to give feedback – and didn’t like to give feedback?

[12:19] Josephine Delvalle: Feedback always has two ‘parts’: the subjective (the I like or I don’t like) and the objective, verifiable part (you didn’t sing a C, but a D).
[12:20] Josephine Delvalle: Are you always aware of the two parts of feedback and their smooth transitions?

[12:20] Josephine Delvalle: Do you move more towards one of the two sides?

[12:21] Josephine Delvalle: Do you try to communicate it in such a way that the feedback recipient knows when you are communicating your subjective feelings and when you are (trying to) address objective issues?

[12:21] Josephine Delvalle: And now, dear photographers and artists, it’s your turn

[12:23] Josephine Delvalle: You can now see who is ahead of you on the list, but please wait until I give you the floor to make your contribution.

[12:23] Josephine Delvalle: Ok, there we go, dear photographers
[12:25] Josephine Delvalle: Do you like giving feedback?

[12:25] Kika Yongho: c

[12:25] Josephine Delvalle: Kika, please

[12:26] Igi (igielka): c

[12:26] Kika Yongho: It depends. I am always a bit embarrassed to give feedback to some whom I feel “more qualified” than me! But then I think “hey I am the public” so I can give my user’s experience! Done

[12:26] Josephine Delvalle: nods, true and thank you Kika. Igi?

[12:27] Igi (igielka): I love to do it, but as English is not my first language I sometimes struggle to express myself. Done

[12:28] ᴀɴɢᴇʟᴏ ᴍᴏᴏʀꜱɪᴅᴇʀ (angelo.nova): C

[12:28] Josephine Delvalle: Thank you Igi, many of us are not native speakers, so we are mostly all more or less ‘wordless’

[12:28] Igi (igielka): C

[12:28] Josephine Delvalle: What do you like most by giving feedback, igi?

[12:29] Igi (igielka): Lets say words more than say jusy nice beaity great mean a lot for me
Lets say, words that are more than just nice, beautiful, great mean the most to me. I try to explain more about what the image means to me, more constructive comments. Done

[12:29] ᴍʌᴛᴛ (matthsuogan): c

[12:31] Josephine Delvalle: thats a good reason for feedback, Angelo, your turn please.

[12:31] ᴀɴɢᴇʟᴏ ᴍᴏᴏʀꜱɪᴅᴇʀ (angelo.nova): I enjoy giving feedback when asked for it, and always try to do my best to be impartial whenever giving it, however I tend to be more considerate depending on the person that is asking me for it. At the same time, I feel like it’s important to be honest, and not only point out the flaws on someone’s work, but also tell them how to improve, as well as strong points that they’ve already made on their work. Done!

[12:32] Igi (igielka): c

[12:33] Josephine Delvalle: yes, that’s a good way with respect, Matt, please

[12:35] ᴍʌᴛᴛ (matthsuogan): I see Flickr, or any photography platform, as a space for sharing and appreciating work, rather than for formal critique. When I enjoy a photo, I aim to provide thoughtful, specific feedback. Sometimes, I may remain silent, but this doesn’t necessarily reflect a lack of appreciation. I believe detailed feedback is best offered when requested by the photographer, and i always strive to respect their privacy in those situations. Done

[12:36] Igi (igielka): c

[12:38] Josephine Delvalle: thank you Matt, respect is very important by giving feedback, Igi please

[12:39] Igi (igielka): I think for friends we can be more open and say more, but for people we do not know so well saying something more than just ‘beautiful’ can mean a lot to them, this is from my own experience. Done

[12:40] Josephine Delvalle: Thank you Igi, anyone else have the same experience?

[12:42] Josephine Delvalle: What do you do, when asked for feedback, but don’t like the picture and would prefer not to give feedback?

[12:43] Igi (igielka): C

[12:43] Josephine Delvalle: Igi, please

[12:44] Igi (igielka): I never avoid giving feedback, depending how new the person is in the photography world, but I think its always good to give some nice comments to encourage people to work on more images. Done

[12:45] Kika Yongho: c

[12:46] Josephine Delvalle: thank you Igi, Kika please

[12:48] Kika Yongho: Well that’s an embarrassing situation indeed.. When you don’t like the photo, and you don’t want to be rude. And that’s always a great diplomacy exercise! I don’t like to offend so I try and find some good point in the photo I dislike and maybe politely suggest some improvement. But if I really dislike it 100% I will just say “is not my type of pic”! I hope that’s polite enough! Done (now you know if you hear it)

[12:48] ᴍʌᴛᴛ (matthsuogan): c

[12:50] Josephine Delvalle: yes, that is a difficult situation, but it happens, Matt, please
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[12:50] ᴍʌᴛᴛ (matthsuogan): I think not really my place to say I don’t like a photo unless someone specifically asks for my opinion. I prefer to keep feedback private, as it’s important to respect each person’s creative vision. Done

[12:50] Igi (igielka): c

[12:51] Josephine Delvalle: Thank you Matt, Igi please

[12:51] Igi (igielka): I think we all have some taste towards images we like see, and even when we see an image that is not to our taste, to challenge ourselves to give some feedback is good practice. Done

[12:52] Kika Yongho: c

[12:52] Josephine Delvalle: thank you Igi, Kika please

[12:54] Kika Yongho: I just wanted to say that if you don’t know the person, giving them a direct unrequested negative feedback might hurt them. So, for my own karma, I try the polite way. Of course I don’t lie to please someone, but there are “nice” ways to say that something is not of our liking. About Matt, instead, is also good to speak your mind cause we get to know you and your taste also. Can come handy for Christmas gifts receiving! Done.

[12:54] Igi (igielka): C

[12:55] Josephine Delvalle: Very true, thank you Kika …. also for the hint for next season …. cough…Christmas and buying gifts

[12:56] Josephine Delvalle: Igi, please

[12:56] Igi (igielka): I think mostly we know what we can say honestly, it depends how closely we know the person and what they really want hear from us. Done

[12:56] DaneAlbion: c

[12:57] Josephine Delvalle: yes, that’s also important, to know, what we can say to whom and what not. Dane, please

[12:58] DaneAlbion: yes, its the ‘what they want to hear from us’ thats the difficult part, trying to balance being honest and beneficial with being polite. I think its important, if you ask for feedback to remember that the person you asked did not ask for feedback on their feedback. Done

[13:00] Josephine Delvalle: smiles, good final words for to close discussion tonight

[13:01] Josephine Delvalle: thank you Dane, and thank you to you all for being part of 3 feedback evenings.

[13:01] Stephane Kesslinger: very interesting
[13:01] Pink Arkin: such an amazing Sunday afternoon ^^

[13:01] Josephine Delvalle: and: have a scary, fearful, pumpkin time
[13:02] Kika Yongho: Thank you all!! What a day! 😀

[13:02] Josephine Delvalle: See you again: November the 3rd