Photo Cafe' Lounge
~ Chat Transcript ~
28th May, 2022
H.11:00 AM SLT[ The following Episode #19 will be on:
Sat, the 11th of June H.11.00 AM SLT! ]
[11:09] Duraya Resident: Hello everyone, welcome again to the photo cafe! Glad you could join us today 🙂
[11:10] Duraya Resident: As announced we will start with Kika sharing some information. Ready Kika?
[11:11:07] Kika Yongho: Hello Photographers!
Today’s intro will be about the workshops’ state of the art. We started this project some time ago but .. where are we at?
[11:11] Kika Yongho: The last two planned workshops have been postponed to date to be defined (TBD). They were:
“Field Trip @ Lost Beach” by Michiel Bechir
and
“Using Animations” by Andrew (AndrewHarlan55 Resident)
So basically, the next workshop as of today won’t be before 3 weeks.
[11:12] Kika Yongho: We have still, in dates to be confirmed, other than the above mentioned two:
“Landscape Expression by Jaminda Moon (Jaminda Resident)
“Editing by using Nik Collection” by Kika Yongho
[11:12] Kika Yongho: Then, in August
“Basic Backdrop with prims” (pt. 1 and 2) by Moki Yuitza
and in September
“Portfolio: instructions for use” by onceagain (manoji Yachvili)
[11:13] Kika Yongho: For all of you who gave no exact date for your workshop, if you wish to confirm, change date/details or retreat it, I ask – other than updating the usual online XLS shared on google docs to also please contact me and let me know about your plans, so to be able to promote your workshop with a good notice in groups, keep our google calendar up-to-date and to prepare the related material when it’s the case.
[11:14] Kika Yongho: Another important news about workshops: we are not going to add more to the list for the time being, so please don’t add lines to the online XLS. For any doubt or request, again, please feel free to contact me.
[11:15] Kika Yongho: Thank you all for attention and back to Duraya, I am done!
[11:15] Duraya Resident: Thank you. Are there questions or comments?
[11:15] Elfi Siemens: q
[11:16] Duraya Resident: Elfi you want to know why we terminate the workshops for the time being?
[11:16] Elfi Siemens: i was just wondering why…. exactly 😀
[11:18] Kika Yongho: Basically, the workshop activity was a limited time offer. So, we stop the activity now to get the focus back to the main Cafe’ appointments. This doesn’t mean we won’t be having workshops ever again
[11:19] Kika Yongho: Is also Summer so maybe give it a bit of rest is better for all to get new ideas 🙂
[11:19] Kika Yongho: We have new ideas too — and surprises for you so stay tuned 🙂
[11:20] Duraya: thank you Kika
[11:20] Duraya: more questions on that?
[11:20] Duraya: Okay, let’s take up today’s agenda then, the BW photography.
[11:20] Duraya: Black and white is where photography started but it seems a lot of people see it as cool, creative and contemporary still or even again.
[11:21] Duraya: I have to admit I am fascinated by BW photography but never managed to get a real good result when I tried it myself. So I hope to learn more about it today with your help.
[11:21] Duraya: I prepared a few quotes about BW to get us started:
1 “Black and White photography has the potential to make and photographer a better photographer”
2 “Life is in colour but black and white is more realistic”
3 “Black and white creates a strange dreamscape that colour never can”
4 “The most colourful thing in the world is black and white, it contains all the colours and at the same time excludes all”
5 “To see in colour is a delight for the eye but to see in black and white is a delight for the soul”
[11:23] Duraya: Do you agree or disagree with any? Or are your concepts completely different?
[11:25] Kika Yongho: c
[11:25] Duraya: yes Kika
[11:25] onceagain (manoji.yachvili): c
[11:25] Moki Yuitza: c
[11:26] Kika Yongho: I must admit that I don’t find B/W easy myself, I took a few photos but I mostly took away the colors in post-production. I see that many value B/W as superior quality by the quotes and probably I need to learn much still 😀 done
[11:27] Duraya: thank you Kika
[11:27] Duraya: onceagain is next
[11:27] onceagain (manoji.yachvili): 1. Partially true. B&W forgives a lot of mistakes
[11:28] onceagain (manoji.yachvili): well, I mean that it is really difficult do a great or better photo with color, if you arent’ a good photographer
[11:29] onceagain (manoji.yachvili): I really prefer to talk.. is a huge question the fight between color and b&W, so:
[11:29] onceagain (manoji.yachvili): 2. False, not need comment
[11:30] onceagain (manoji.yachvili): 3. Partially true
[11:30] onceagain (manoji.yachvili): because when most of us think to a dream, well, think in b&W
[11:31] onceagain (manoji.yachvili): so 5. Partially true
[11:32] onceagain (manoji.yachvili): and… really, is an argument that can take hours
[11:33] onceagain (manoji.yachvili): done
[11:33] Duraya: thank you onceagain and your turn Moki
[11:34] Moki Yuitza: i’m smiling because Once has told more or less what i am thinking
[11:34] onceagain (manoji.yachvili): sister!
[11:34] Moki Yuitza: each of those sentences, could start a discussion for hours
[11:35] Moki Yuitza: maybe days so, u just want to add my thought about b/w
[11:35] Moki Yuitza: i think that BW is in photography more or less what pencils are in painting
[11:35] Moki Yuitza: they are fundamentals, just light and shadows
[11:36] Moki Yuitza: in this way, it could be true that b&w is the better way to grow as photographer, and sametime it is the easier way to have a good shoot
[11:37] Moki Yuitza: then, we have to think about our biology
[11:37] Moki Yuitza: each of us, see colors in different way
[11:37] Moki Yuitza: the only thing that is the same for everyone, is light and dark
[11:37] Moki Yuitza: BW
[11:38] Moki Yuitza: done °͜°
[11:38] Duraya: that’s an interesting thought
[11:38] Kika Yongho: q
[11:39] Duraya: thank you Moki and Kika – you have a question 🙂
[11:39] Kika Yongho: I have a question for the photographers.. How is for them easier to take a BW photo? 😀 Because for me is not so
[11:39] Kika Yongho: done
[11:39] Moki Yuitza: c
[11:39] Duraya: Moki will you speak please
[11:40] Moki Yuitza: answer to Kika (for me).
[11:40] Moki Yuitza: when i have to take a photo, i think to the subject
[11:40] Moki Yuitza: volume or something graphic?
[11:41] Moki Yuitza: both of them can be well done in bw, but some more than others
[11:42] Moki Yuitza: but for both of them, thinking about just two values instead of infinite colors, are easier for me
[11:42] Moki Yuitza: done °͜°
[11:42] Violette (violette.rembrandt): c
[11:42] Duraya: thank you
[11:43] Duraya: Violette, share your comment please
[11:45] Violette (violette.rembrandt): Thank you Duraya ^^ To Answer Kika -> For me B&W is synonym of portrait so it’s hard for me to use it on my usual photos
[11:45] Violette (violette.rembrandt): and i’m not good with portrait ‘^^ so it’s quite hard for me to use b&w
[11:45] Violette (violette.rembrandt): + my usual photo spot is quite colorful …
[11:46] Violette (violette.rembrandt): so i can’t bring myself to tone down to b&w
[11:46] Violette (violette.rembrandt): done
[11:46] Duraya: you will loooooooove the contest 😛
[11:47] Duraya: well Moki hinted it and now Violette said something similar – it leads to a question I prepared:
[11:47] Duraya: Do you feel certain genres are more suitable to be taken in BW than others?
[11:48] Elfi Siemens: c
[11:48] Duraya: Elfi please
[11:50] Elfi Siemens: i personally don’t think there’s a limit to a certain genre to be taken as a b/w photo. best example (for Violette, hehe): Ansel Adams. He’s done such amazing b/w landscapes….
[11:50] Elfi Siemens: but, i myself prefer b/w for architecture and portraits, most of the time. depends on the mood
[11:50] Elfi Siemens: done
[11:51] Duraya: thank you Elfi
[11:51] Duraya: I was wondering – as it seems to be difficult for some – does it need to develop a special ‚eye‘ to see what image you can either shoot or convert to BW? Like the ability of ignoring the colors you see and concentrating on contrast, shape and textures?
[11:52] Elfi Siemens: c
[11:52] Duraya: yes Elfii
[11:52] Alex Amore: c
[11:52] Elfi Siemens: short answer: all of them, lol
[11:53] Elfi Siemens: but you can’t ignore the colors
[11:53] Duraya: thanks, I will put that on my ‘to do’ list
[11:53] Elfi Siemens: i don’t think b/w photography is “just” desaturating a color pic
[11:54] DaneAlbion: c
[11:54] Elfi Siemens: for example, some colors in your pic may have the same light value – so they just turn out to be the same gray tone in your b/w version
[11:55] Duraya nods
[11:55] Elfi Siemens: that can make things just kinda disappear in your b/w pic
[11:56] Elfi Siemens: i myself totally agree with the first quote, i don’t think b/w is easier to do than color – because you have to care more about lighting and shadows etc.
[11:56] Elfi Siemens: done
[11:56] Duraya: thank you Elfie
[11:56] Duraya: and Alex is next on my list 🙂
[11:58] Alex Amore: I don’t know that it is a genre per-say, but i find B/W tends to create a serious or more sombre mood. For me it lends itself well to photos that are meant to evoke the less cheerful subjects.
[11:59] Alex Amore: done
[11:59] Duraya: thanks
[12:00] Duraya: Dane – you are next
[12:00] DaneAlbion: I don’t think that there is a specific genre that favours or excludes b&w. B&w is another tool to accomplish a specific task, if you think of a great b&w photo and then try and imagine it in colour you will often conclude that the colour would be superfluous, that b&w perfectly gets across what the photographer wanted to say. Like using a hammer on a nail, sometimes its just the right tool for the job.
[12:00] DaneAlbion: done
[12:01] Duraya: thank you Dane!
[12:01] Duraya: now – to make Violette happy – and all the others too of course
[12:01] Duraya: We didn’t have a contest for some time so I am glad to announce our:
[12:02] Duraya: Next FUN photo contest: Getting to know each other through art – show your own view of BW photography sharing an image of your choice
[12:02] Kika Yongho: So we shall take a BW photo
[12:02] Duraya: This time for once please hand all your images over to me till the 9th of June latest. Kapaan will not be available, he is on vacations.
[12:03] Duraya: yes – maybe we should add a dress code for next time too Kika 🙂
[12:03] Duraya: BW for everyone
[12:04] Kika Yongho: Alright so we should deliver a BW photo made by us to you full perms before the 9th
[12:04] Duraya: Kika will send a reminder and info for all who couldn’t come today and those who had to leave earlier
[12:05] Duraya: Our next cafe will be on Saturday the 11th of June. Happy shooting and see you then 🙂
